"Well we put many ideas across, one of the many ideas is not to submit to authority which is the order of the day in this society. Even if that authority comes from us. Publicizing our ideas is a means to encourage change."

To have any sort of change you must begin somewhere, there is always a first step. So you believe the first step is changing yourself?

"The idea of rebelling against authority and trying to have your own space is as old as people. But in today's society it tends to get suppressed, and the leaders sort of encourage people not to stand on their own two feet. Paths are set before we are even born really."

"I think what's rather mystic is the avenues of rebellion are absolutely bought up by the state or by the society of a spectacle. What actually happens is people think change or achieving change in different terms. In Rock 'n' Roll terms it means being offensive on stage. Swaging around, wearing a leather jacket and not giving a shit about anything. That wasn't meant to jab against people wearing leather jackets, it was meant to jab against people like Jim Morrison"

According to Chumba, real change is much more down to earth and simple. It's not throwing the brick but the little thoughts that made you throw the brick. The spark inside.

Drugs are a very touchy subject with the band because some members are casual users of nothing harsher than beer, wine, tobacco and tea. The other members strongly oppose all drugs.

"Drugs like Heroine and Cocaine are stupid. They take away the only real power we have, which is the power over our own actions. We think it's really important not to lose that. It's sad really."

The three members we spoke with do believe that being in a band does not put them on a pedestal. They told us why.

"Obviously, physically we are on a pedestal. It's up to the people who see us to appreciate that we are exactly the same as they are."

"Gigs are to a certain extent a one way process, most gigs are a one way thing."

When you are in a band which teaches a message such as Chumbawamba's you could often get confused by some people because they feel you think you know everything and have all the answers. We asked if this was a problem.

"We don't find that a real problem. I don't know, maybe people think we have all the answers, but we certainly don't think we have all the answers at all."

"We don't feel the problem is people thinking we know all the answers, but it's people dismissing us thinking we belong to some exclusive club where everybody is a big group and knows all the answers."

"We convert to the audience."

Outside of Chumbawamba the band members belong to many organizations such as the Hunt Saboteurs, Black Cross Prisoner Support, the Community Centre, Working Cooperatives and Direct Action Movement just to name a few. So we felt it appropriate to ask if they felt the organizations brought about any change what-so-ever.

"Of course they do, although it might be small it is still change. For example when we go out to sabotage a hunt, when we stop them from killing the fox, we have brought about change. Not only did we save the fox, but we have made clear to the hunters that not everybody agrees with them."